Wow! I set out to find at least some of the answers to this question, prompted by the ongoing sparring between Big Mike and I. We can argue all we want with each other, point to our own personal experiences, and claim until we are blue in the face that our own point of view is the correct one. But what do experts have to say about the matter?
What I found was such a wealth of material on the subject, that I have enough gathered to write several posts. I thought it might be helpful to go in chronological order of the “facts” uncovered.
Here is a smattering of some of the archaic research I found. For instance, examine these statements made by George Napheys, in his 1879 treatise, The Transmission of Life.
“The male is everywhere, and in all his manifestations, characterized by peculiar traits, and the female by others quite as much her own. In the highest types of human physical beauty, the feminine and masculine traits are brought into intimate union and a perfect equilibrium.”
“On the other hand, in that most perfect model of the female figure, the Venus of Milo, exquisitely feminine as it is, there lurks constantly some line or vague expression which reminds us of a man. Instinctively the ancient artist…recognized and gave to his work that unity of the sexes which the philosopher reasons must belong to the perfect human creature.”
As they grow, boys’ “mus-cular force becomes one-third greater than hers; his flesh is firmer and his bones larger; his collar-bone becomes more curved so that he can hurl a stone or swing a club better than she can; his hips are narrow, while hers are broad, and thus he can run faster and more gracefully; he grows more rapidly, and he seeks the rude exercises which she shuns. All these traits presage his destiny to wage the rougher battles of life, and fit him to meet the buffets of untoward fortune with courage and endurance.”
Girls, on the other hand, are characterized by “the delicate skin, the fragile bones, the rounded outline, the abundance of fatty tissue.”
From additional pens recorded in infamy:
Female students were concluded to be pale, in delicate health and “prey to monstrous deviations from menstrual regularity.”
(Clarke, 1873, last printing 1963)
The woman who uses her brain loses her “mammary function first and had little hope to be other than a moral and medical freak.”
(Hall, 1905)
Women are “closer to children and savages than to an adult civilized man.”
(Le Bon, 1879, reported in Gould, 1981)
Clearly, scientists and other researchers of the 19th century were sadly mistaken in many of their claims. Is it no wonder, then, that women have been fighting the expectations attributed to them by mere dint of their sex for over 150 years?
To be continued…
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So what is your take on all that, Cand? I mean, its a bunch of ponderings from guys that were surrounded by an environment 2 hundred years regressed from ours. What is your conclusion (I know what mine is, you voice what this means to you first.)
Big Mike
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OK, you wouldn’t like this, but its my male view. No, I do not agree with the negative tone of the ancient observations. But, I believe that many are based on surface observations that do not get at the reality or true meaning. Here’s what I mean.
I’ve heard over and over, from females, that men are not romantic, we’re simply physical creatures with no interest in the deeper emotions. Nothing could be further from the truth. We do think of and want romance, just in a different way. If a woman were to look deeper, penetrate the fort we encircle ourselves with, the love of our mate is central to our existence. Now lets take the naive last observation you posted, “Women are closer to children and savages than to an adult civilized man.” Forget the savage comment, I can’t relate to that at all. Lets deal with the “children” statement. To someone wishing only to make circumferential statements, that might appear to some men to be true. My take is different. When I look at a woman I love, or adore, or enjoy, I do see a child like joy with life, a willingness to see the good and ignore the bad. To look past the demons, and see sunlight. Truth is, its one of the attributes that draws me to truly feminine woman. They brighten up a dark day, make me happy to me around them.
Men on the other hand are more pragmatic. We see demons and dragons around ever corner. Its a matter of survival. You have to look over your shoulder in case the saber tooth is stalking or you didn’t survive the hunt. Those characteristics carried over into todays alpha males.
Point is, if we peel back the surface and open our eyes, something that on the surface may appear shallow is in fact the wonder that attracts us to one another.
Ok, you can yell at me now.
Big Mike
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Actually, as these posts go on, you will find that being a man back in the day of Naphrey was not all it was cracked up to be. I’m not going to say any more about it, but you will be horrified at some of his recommendations to maintain your virility.
Honestly, I just thought it was rather funny at how incredibly sexist most of these remarks were and, as I point out at the end, it explains a lot about why women have been, and are, so defensive.
I can go along with that, Candace. My gut still tells me that the difference in size and the fact that men are more physically aggressive than women is at the core of why women can respond defensively. If you feel you’re not respected as a person, with equal contribution and opportunity, how else can you feel but defensive. I’ve also noticed that some men talk down to women, whether because of a need to assert their dominance, or a need to feel superior to someone. It would be natural for a woman to respond defensively in such cases.
Big Mike
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Yes bigmikelittlecandy you are right i agree with you
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